Saturday 15 October (I)

I went down at 9:30 to see whether everyone was ready. They weren’t, but some were on the way. Linda pointed out that people getting themselves here on time was their responsibility, not mine ... Some of us managed to get together for a group photo!

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When Sean Dromgoole (who played “Krist” in the episode “The Gift of Life”, and was credited as "Sean Fleming") arrived, he chatted to Oliver for a while. They hadn’t met up for many years. We then sorted ourselves out into the smallest number of cars we could manage, and left in a convoy of about 5 vehicles.

I was invited to ride shotgun in Oliver’s huge left-hand drive Chevrolet. In the back were Jelly, Mark and Akvile. Linda led the convoy over Priddy, where we had lovely views, while Steve took his car and passengers and went his own way, and arrived first!

I had been a bit worried about the weather, but the drizzle cleared off in time for our walk, and only resumed when we were getting back in the cars, so we were very lucky.

As we walked up the track to Black Rock Quarry, Oliver said he hadn’t been here since filming the episode, “The Slaves.”

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I asked about the actor/stuntman Jackie Cooper, who had to fall from the top of the quarry.

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Oliver said that cardboard boxes would be piled up, to about a third of the height of the drop, and covered with a big canvas sheet. It would cover a large area, but still look very small from the top! The stuntmen are a tight knit group and all look out for each other, and make sure the site is inspected.

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Oliver and Sean reminisced about the student extras, who had to wait around for long periods, and often got stoned. When they finally got the call to action, they really went for it in any fights they had to enact – some went a bit berserk!

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Oliver, Sean and I discussed how long it took to film. Oliver thought it must have been a year, but I told him that filming began in June or July, and went on till December. Sean agreed that it was standard to take a fortnight to film an hour’s worth of TV, so a week per 25 minute episode made sense.

Oliver was surprised it was only 6 months – he clearly felt like he was “Arthur” for longer than that. He said that having spent so much time out in the countryside, going back to London was really hard to get used to. He felt out of place, and wondered what he was doing there. He still prefers to have countryside around him – to be able to see the horizon.

Along with Akvile and Mark, I went about halfway up the rocky slope cut into the side of the quarry, on which the slave workers had been shackled.

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Akvile went right to the top – Mark and I weren’t brave enough!

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Meanwhile, Jelly made some videos of Oliver and Sean, and the rest of us.

Oliver couldn’t remember whether people had been filmed up on that ledge, and Linda assured him that they had. Oliver said “Then I must have been up there … I guess …” He then speculated as to whether any horses went up there. Linda said “there would have been a lot less crud on that shelf” back then (loose rocks and plant growth), but Oliver then said, “I don’t think a horse went up on that shelf” and Sean agreed, “I can’t see a horse up there. I don’t think Ben Ford1 would have allowed that.” Oliver said, “Yeah, lovely guy. Sadly, you know, when they moved on, with Robin of Sherwood, they got rid of Ben, and he couldn’t understand it.”

More transcripts from the videos below:

OT: … lived in Stroud, with the Fords, who had a horse stable and … carriages; horses and a riding school, and they kept about … oh, I dunno, about 18 horses.

JG: Were they the horses you used on the show?

OT: Some driving horses, yeah, they supplied the horses and they had the riding school, weekends. Weekends sometimes I’d take strings of people up riding above Stroud there, and … er … which was great. And then when we moved from that location, which was … the lake where we went last time, Woodchester …. Stroud was close to there, then I moved just the other side of Bristol airport, rented a cottage there, and stayed there pretty much till the end of the programme … till we finished.

SD: Ben Ford did this, um … Olly was very … as I remember it, you found your horse quickly, and you were happy, and it was all good. Michael was slightly slower to find the right horse, and they tried one, it didn’t work, then they tried another one, it didn’t work, so they … Ben Ford went out and bought a new horse to see if it got Michael’s vote, and he called it Merlin. I said, “Why’d you call it Merlin?” He said, “Because if it keeps Michael Gothard happy, it’s gonna be a fucking miracle!”2



SD: Ben did a lot of carriage stuff.

OT: And then, when one would be injured or have a bit of a sprain, then I’d use the other one. But you had to train them both to things. I have a story … we go to where “The Challenge” was shot, I can tell you a story there which is pretty hair-raising … I won’t tell it now … give it away, because I can show you exactly what happened.

LW: Did you ride before taking the part?

OT: Yeah. I got … I rode since I was 12, 13, 14 … um … my parents luckily enough sent me to riding school and I never forgot that, and then, um, I rode first in a film …”Romance of a Horse-thief”, and there I worked with a group of Cossacks – they came … Yugoslavia , they had the army, the cavalry, Russian, Polish horse … (inaudible) … with Yul Brynner and Eli Wallach, and we were horse-thieves I think, we had to ride, fantastic horses, Lipizza horses, grey, Lipizzan grey, and then they had this group for a festival, which was filmed within the film, of um … you know, Cossacks, showing off their stuff, and the young character I played jumps on and does his thing and everybody claps, and all that, so I learned a lot from them. I learned, for example, that picking up a handkerchief at a gallop, hanging sideways off the horse, and all that sort of thing …. (inaudible) … that was useful, and then I went to Italy and made a film called … you mentioned it … “’Tis Pity She’s a Whore”, and there I played this character who loses his rag, gallops around this monk, picking up sand and throwing it at him in a fury and all that, and that … [gesturing at SD] … your father saw that film. Who was the American who co-produced …?

SD: Skip Steloff.3

OT: Steloff, and he said, “This is the guy; this is the guy we want! He can ride! He’s nuts, and wild, and we should hire him, so …

JG: What was his name? Skip …

OT: Steloff. That’s the reason why it then came through my agent, can we go and do trails?



OT: From beginning to end we were in the field.

Unk: The whole time?

OT: Yes, like we just said, we never had any studio time with “Arthur.” We filmed it in the huts … in the locations … the huts were built … the roofs were okay to take the rain …

SD: Did you watch rushes? Did you use to go back and watch rushes, or not?

OT: Very occasionally, towards the end, yeah.

SD: With “Robin of Sherwood” that was a big scene. Everyone went to the rushes, and there was one director who said “You can’t!” and all the other directors said, “Of course you can!” and literally 30 people would go and watch them.

OT: I think it’s … well, we didn’t.

SD: It made for some grumpy discussions afterwards, when people thought they’d been doing stuff and the director hadn’t picked it up, and so … it was a bit tricky but …

OT: That’s actors for you!

SD: And then of course you were at HTV so there was a bar there.

OT: Yes.

SD: Did you spend any time in the HTV bar?

OT: I did, yes, I did, yeah …

SD: I did as well … Not when I was twelve!4

OT: That was great because the crew would hang out there.

SD: People would wind down together, basically, and then get not enough sleep, and then turn up at 7 o’clock the following morning. But it was … it was a very friendly crew.

OT: Talking about riding, it comes to me that Jack Watson had a bad bone, down there [indicates left buttock/hamstring], so when he cantered or galloped it was painful for him, and, um, he’d hang on, so he’s always … [imitates Jack Watson’s rather strained posture in the saddle]



LW: Was there any filming on Blackdown?

OT: It’s very likely, yes; the galloping stuff [indicates rolling hills] sort of, open …

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The dogs in the photos are Linda's brindle greyhound, Gwen, and white lurcher, Trigger.


OT: … collect the money had two or three hangers-on. They started moving into my house, all the liggers and layabouts … In those days, very few people had … money … it was the sixt- early seventies … it was different … and if you had a name, and even five bob in your pocket, you had ten people hanging onto you. It’s like all the rock stars were surrounded by you know, the … see, we called them liggers … hangers-off and … that’s what happened to me, too.

SD: I don’t think that’s changed, actually.

JG: And was that a problem, or … were they a help to you in some way?

OT: Oh, they were your greatest friends.

JG: Okay!

OT: They were all traitors, they’re all … rip … took … oh, who’s paying? You know … “Can I sit here?” “Oh, I’ll have that!”

SD: “Am I paying again? Oh, what a surprise!”

OT: “Who’s paying?” Of course, you end up paying …

JG: That’s not right!

OT: Well, it’s what it was like … I had some friends of course … some …

SD: You used to come back and see us, which was nice – that was good.

OT: Very much so, yeah, yeah .

SD: See, my dad and mum lived about 8 miles that way [indicates direction] towards [inaudible]. Occasionally – and not always predicted – Olly would turn up, and that carried on for years, that was great.

OT: Yeah, yeah …

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JG: [pointing at the large rock] I actually climbed on and stripped myself to the waist …

OT: Bloody hell!

SD: I think we’re here on the wrong day!



Linda insisted that I get up on The Rock on which Arthur had been tied up and flogged, 50 years before. We all went over, and I got a small boost and managed to grab the top of the rock and hang there.

SD: Is that the whipping position?

LW: This is it.

OT: That’s amazing!

SD: Joya, I feel I know you!

LW: Classic social media … arms spread a bit more! Last time she did it, she took her top off.

JG: I won’t do that today – there are gentlemen present!

OT: Cut her loose!

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Once I got down, Oliver and Sean had their photos taken with The Rock.

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Sean Dromgoole was planning to go and see his dad, Patrick – the Executive Producer of “Arthur of the Britons” - the following day, so he got us all to stand together in front of the The Rock and say, “Thank you, Patrick, for ‘Arthur of the Britons’ while he took a video.

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Then we decided to go to a nearby pub Linda knew for coffee, so we all piled into our cars, and off we went, back up the gorge and up to the pub, The Queen Victoria Inn, at Priddy.

Sean told us about how Dave Prowse (who appeared in two episodes of AotB) wanted his own voice to be used for Darth Vader, as he was the one playing the character. To demonstrate why that wouldn’t be a good idea, the Director delivered some of Darth’s lines in a Cornish accent!

We returned to Wookey Hole, and went over the road to the Wookey Hole Inn for lunch, after which Sean said his goodbyes.

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1 Ben Ford owned the stables which supplied the horses for “Arthur of the Britons.”

2 Perhaps it was here that we got the information that Michael was very competitive, and wanted the fastest horse!

3 Skip Steloff was Chairman and Chief Executive of Heritage Entertainment, an independent Los Angeles production company, which co-produced “Arthur of the Britons.”

4 Sean was 12 when he appeared in AotB. He later worked behind the camera on other HTV productions.
I arrived at the building where Sean works for our 3 o’clock meeting, and he came down to meet me. On the way up to his office, he asked why I was so into “Arthur of the Britons”: was it Oliver? I said, no it was Michael. “Even then?” he said. Perhaps he thought a teenager would be more likely to fall for Oliver, though he did think that Michael was a very attractive man.

By way of background, Sean said that in the early 1970s, the smaller TV companies like HTV weren’t expected to do drama, especially on this scale, but Sean’s father, Patrick Dromgoole, decided that they should start. They had two crews, which produced a lot of great drama over the next 20 years, including "Children of the Stones" and “Robin of Sherwood.” “Arthur of the Britons” - along with “Pretenders” [a costume drama set in 1685, about two children during a rebellion against King James II] - was the start of this in many ways.

The story of Arthur, and the conflict between the Celts of Wales and Cornwall, and the Saxons in Wessex, was a natural choice for Harlech TV, which was based in the middle of those territories.

As we settled down to watch “The Gift of Life” together, Sean proved himself a man after my own heart by expressing approval for the 4:3 aspect ratio! He also said he loved Elmer Bernstein’s epic theme music.

Every now and then, as we watched the episode, he would press ‘pause’, and tell me something he remembered about what had just transpired.

The first thing he commented on was the horse Michael was riding. He said that either Michael wasn’t a natural rider, or the horses he’d been given weren’t up to the task, because he had been through about 3 horses without finding one that suited him. After some weeks, the horse wrangler, Ben Ford of Stroud, brought in a new bay horse, and named it Merlin because “if this works it will be a miracle.”

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So Merlin was not the horse shown here - which Michael rode for the first few episodes.

As Krist and Elka stick their heads up on the boat, Sean drew his colleague’s attention to his first appearance: “I’m in show business!”

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He then pointed out that much of the conversation between Arthur and Kai about what to do with the Saxon children – nearly a whole minute – was filmed in one take.

Then when Kai is getting ready to leave the village with the children, he drew my attention to a great shot of Michael.

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He said there would have been huge polystyrene reflectors just out of shot, directing bright lights at Michael’s face; he would have been bravely keeping his eyes wide open to avoid squinting.

The riding scenes were filmed near Woodchester. Sean could ride already, as his mother had been very keen that he and his siblings should learn. It was alright for Tamzin riding in front of Michael, but very uncomfortable for him, riding at the back, where there was no saddle. Bumping along when they were cantering was agony!

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The conversation between Krist and Kai about the scar on Kai’s neck would have been filmed by a tracking camera mounted on a vehicle, driven alongside the horse.

I mentioned how tall the bracken was, in the scene where Krist and Elka go missing. Sean said the problem was, trying to make sure the crew didn’t trample it all down!

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When Kai was calling for the children, Sean said, “I did find Michael slightly scary – there was a threat about him. He was tall, distant, and rather magnificent.” He was also “moody” but Sean also recalled that he was “very kind, very patient.” He and Tamzin often screwed up a shot by, for example, looking straight into camera, but Michael understood that they were just learning. “In dealing with me and Tamzin, he was brilliant.”

When Kai teaches the children the secret whistle, Sean admitted that he couldn’t do it; that was the only part of the sound that wasn’t recorded live on location, but looped in a sound studio. The sound recordist, Mike Davey, a close friend of Sean’s, is deaf in one ear!

During the next scene where they were riding, Sean pointed out the vehicle tracks where the horse was trotting. I protested that they were cart tracks, but he said carts didn’t make tracks like that!

Where the children are sleeping, he said he remembered the feel of the sheepskin against his cheek.

I commented on Kai’s furry boot-covers, and Sean revealed that they were a lot of trouble, as they were always coming off.

As they walk into the Saxon village, Sean said that Heather Wright, who played Hildred, was a lovely girl. He commented once again on the wonderful cadence of the theme music.

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He wondered what was the point of “putting fur on a guitar” (the minstrel’s lute).

In the scene where Kai is sitting in the hut, tied up, Sean pointed out that the wattle and daub panels, from which the walls were made, were actually moulded plastic! They had one real panel, and poured plastic onto it, then peeled it off, painted it, and poured some more on. They looked terrible in real life.

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He thought Stephan Chase was a good actor; “You need to know who your villain is.”

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When Kai springs out of the bracken to break the Saxon villager’s neck, Sean said he would have had his face smeared with Vaseline, to make it look as if he were sweating. By the time they filmed these scenes, they were losing the light.

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Sean remembers being fascinated watching Peter Brayham organising the stunts, and by just how simple they were, up close. When Horgren surprises Kai, near his horse, it was Peter who buried the axe in the tree trunk, not Stephan Chase.

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He remembers feeling the sticky “Kensington Gore” (theatrical fake blood) on his face after Kai palms his cheek as he rides away.

During the scene where Kai is lying on his sickbed, we speculated on where Arthur would have obtained the huge bunch of grapes Kai has in front of him. Sean suspects the cameraman was referencing Carravagio’s “Boy with a Basket of Fruit.”

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The fire would have been made using a gas tube under some stone that had been painted to look like logs.

After the credits had rolled, Sean asked whether I had any other questions. I started by asking how he got the job!

He had acted before, in school plays and the like, but never in front of a camera. As soon as word got out about a new production, people in the business would be looking out for roles for their children. There was an audition: five boys and five girls, and a lot of those auditioning, like the Nevilles, were family friends.

The episode Director, Pat Jackson – a lovely man - must have auditioned them, but as the audition was held in Patrick Dromgoole’s office, Sean, and his younger brother Dominic and sister Jessica, were at something of an advantage. Sean himself was credited as “Sean Fleming” – his mother’s maiden name – because they didn’t want to give away the fact that he was in his dad’s production!

Sean got the part of Krist, partly because he was blond, which made him a better fit as a Saxon boy than his brother, Dominic whose hair was dark. Dominic got the part of Col’s son Frith, in “The Slaves.” He didn’t like the fact that at the end of the episode, he had to be lifted – almost thrown – high in the air by Dave Prowse. Jessica appeared in another episode as an extra.

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Sean took it very seriously; he remembers rehearsing at the kitchen table with his mother. “I was the little pro – turned up with all my lines learnt!”

Being one of the youngest cast members was, “terrific! Everyone spoiled me.” People fell over themselves to look after them, especially the make-up lady, Christine Penwarden, on whom he had a crush. She used to show them how to make fake scars with Bostick, and shock their families.

When they went for the costume fittings, they were fascinated by the axes with rubber heads, used during the actual fight scenes. Saying, “This is a real one”, Oliver picked up an axe, took a swing at one of the posts in the Saxon village, struck into it, and also hit one of the female crew members - possibly the costume lady, Audrey MacLeod - on the head! She was okay though.

There were very small crews in those days – 30 or so – so everyone was racing about the whole time, but because of people like the cameraman, Bob Edwards and the director, Pat Jackson, the atmosphere was relaxed and very friendly; there seemed to be plenty of time. “It was great fun – a real confidence-booster. They made it so easy.”

Nevertheless, not being a ‘morning person’, Sean was “beguiled” by how early in the morning they started work (dawn). They only shot 3 and a half to four minutes’ worth of film each day, unlike these days, when 8 minutes is the norm. It took about a week to film each episode.

When asked how much direction he was given, Sean said, “Not enough, watching it! I think the idea was to keep us as relaxed as possible – not do take after take, which would have been intimidating for a child.” He thought he could have given a better performance. It was hard to know how much direction any of the adult cast received, because a good director would speak to the actors privately.

He didn’t see the rushes. There would be a lab. report the next morning, and the rushes would be seen the following night. Some directors invited the actors; the more experienced ones didn’t, because they didn’t want them to be distracted by thinking about what they’d done before.

Sean thinks he was paid for the performance, but has no idea what happened to the money; it didn’t end up in his pocket! He was present for the filming of some other episodes but didn’t appear as an extra, which was boring: not like being the centre of attention!

It rained, half the time, and the cast and crew would either stand under tarpaulins, film indoors, or just got on with it, pretending it wasn’t there.

Tony Shaffer – the writer of “Sleuth” - suggested that John Hurt should play Arthur; the series would have been “different”. But Patrick cast Oliver Tobias, who they already knew really well. Oliver used to bring his Haflinger 4 x 4 to their parents’ place, and drive them up an almost vertical hillside, making them all scream!

Oliver was hugely popular, “an utter delight.” He maintained friendships with all levels of the crew, to the extent that, years later, when he played the villain, Bertrand de Nivelle, in the “Robin of Sherwood” episode, “Lord of the Trees”, and had to fight Michael Praed, who played Robin, the crew were all cheering for Oliver: “Come on – give him what for!”

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When the episode was broadcast, on 13 December 1972, Sean’s whole cub scout troop – all in their uniforms – came to their house in Somerset to watch it. “I was a fucking star!”

Though he hasn’t been back to the locations where they filmed, Sean sometimes feels drawn to visit them. His involvement with “Arthur of the Britons” was a very intense experience, and his attachment to it is deep set. He asked me what I thought of the series when I saw it again on DVD after nearly 40 years; I said it was better than I remembered, and he agreed. The series has stood up well.

He wanted to take up acting as a career, until his first professional auditions, which were so ugly and intimidating, he wondered why anyone would ever put themselves through the process. He probably should have gone to drama school, but his parents didn’t believe in it. He flirted with the idea of becoming and engineer, but decided it would be too dull, so he studied Philosophy at University, where he also did 22 plays, and had his own punk band, The Ripchords.

[The Ripchords' sole release was an eponymous EP with four tracks, “Ringing in the Streets”, “Music is...”, “Peace artist”, and “Television television”, was championed by John Peel, and quickly sold out. "Punk 77" described their music as “Tuneful punk with sepulchral vocals and deep growling bass”, and "My Life's a Jigsaw" as “Great garage/DIY punk.” Sean Dromgoole was the vocalist.]

When Sean finished his studies, he spent a number of years behind the camera, working for his father as an Assistant Director.
This call sheet was kindly donated to this archive by Peter Thornton, who was employed as Clapper/Loader – a role now known as 2nd Camera Assistant – for much of the series. The episode appears to have originally been titled “The Saxons Are Coming”, but the cast list confirms that the document pertains to “The Gift of Life.”

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The episodes were given alphabetical designations, and “The Gift of Life” was episode ‘E’, which indicates that it was the fifth episode to be filmed.

The call sheet is No.25, and is dated 27th July 1972, which was a Thursday, so this would have been the fourth day of filming on this episode.

Filming was to take place at Woollard, which - at this point - is still considered to be “on location” – the main base being at Woodchester.

Geoffrey Adams (Hald) and Heather Wright (Hildred) were collected by car at 7:00, from the Unicorn Hotel 1, where guest stars were commonly billeted. Michael Gothard (Kai) made his own arrangements. These three were required in Make-up/Wardrobe at 7:30. The children, Sean Fleming (Krist) and Tamzin Neville (Elka) had to be there by 08:00, presumably brought by their parents, Patrick Dromgoole (the Executive Producer) and Daphne Neville (chaperone and extra) respectively. All had to be ready to film at 8:30.

The only horse required was for Kai.

The scenes listed to be filmed in the morning are 17 and 19. Judging by the cast needed, these would be the scene where Kai and the children arrive at the woodland path near the village, and Kai encounters Hald for the first time, and the scene where Kai and the children walk down into the village, and are greeted by the women and children working in the fields. An hour seems quite a short time to have allowed for the shooting of both Kai’s arrival with the children, and their rapturous greeting by the village, but as Heather Wright is required on set at this time, it seems the only option. The content of Scene 18, which was to be missed out, is unclear. Possibly it is the shot of Hald coming out of the woods and announcing the return of the children.

The “crowd” was collected from HTV studios at 07:00, in a “Z car bus”. This was not directly related to the BBC series, "Z Cars"; Peter Thornton says, “I seem to remember that “Z Cars” was a taxi company that had the contract to ferry cast members between the set and the hotel.” In fact, there is still a company named “Z Cars” operating in Bristol. Assuming that they were being collected from HTV Television Centre at Pontcanna, Cardiff, these extras would have arrived at around 8:20 – possibly in time to be included in the scene of Kai’s arrival with the children.

Meanwhile, Stephan Chase (Horgren), Kenneth Bender (Ulrich) and Meic Stevens (the minstrel, here listed as "Mike Stephens") were to be collected from the Unicorn Hotel at 7:45, arrive in make-up/wardrobe at 8:30, and be ready to shoot at 9:30. Also required were some “Elders” to be collected in a cast minibus “per Andrew Wilson’s instructions.”

The scenes scheduled for filming from 08:30 were 20, 22 and 23. Scene 20 must have been the scene in which the return of the children is celebrated with a feast. Scene 21, not filmed at this point, would have been the one where Krist and Elka inadvertently give away Kai’s identity as Arthur’s lieutenant. Scenes 22 and 23 would have been the shock revelation of Kai’s identity, and then his hearing before the tribe’s Elders.

No “weather cover” scenes are listed, so presumably the forecast was for a fine day.
Catering for the cast and crew – about 95 people - was laid on by George Cook, all on location.

Among the props required are listed “practical flowers” and “practical fire” - which means real flowers and a working fire: “there is a requirement for a prop to be as it would in real life” according to Peter Thornton.

A telling note at the bottom of the page shows that “pick ups” - shots filmed after the bulk of an episode has been completed – from “Enemies and Lovers” and “The Challenge”, were to be filmed at the end of the week, on Saturday 29th July. From this we can gather that those episodes were C and D. An article in the Bristol Evening Post published 13th July refers to Oliver’s spear injury, incurred during “The Challenge”, as having occurred during the week beginning 10th July, making that one episode C. “Enemies and Lovers” must therefore have been episode D, the bulk of which must have been filmed during the week beginning 17th July.

1 Possibly The Unicorn Hotel, West Street, Somerton TA11 7PR England – this would have been about an hour away by car.

2 Oliver Tobias (Arthur) was not involved in the day’s filming – the filming schedule/call sheets having been arranged to give him time to recover from the head injury he suffered while filming “The Challenge.”

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